Talk:Bad-tibira

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Could Sumerian Bad, meaning "Wall", be cognate to Semitic Beit, meaning "House", making Bad-Tibira mean "House of Coppersmiths" ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.143.68.244 (talk) 00:41, 1 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The coordinates might be wrong

While checking Sumerian cities I try to verify coordinates. There seems to be something weird going on in Bad-tibira. In the article there's a phrase "[Bad-tibira is] identified as modern Tell al-Madineh (also Tell Madineh), between Ash Shatrah and Tell as-Senkereh (ancient Larsa) and 33 kilometers northeast of ancient Girsu in southern Iraq," which has a source, Vaughn E. Crawford, "The Location of Bad-Tibira", Iraq 22 "Ur in Retrospect. In Memory of Sir C. Leonard Woolley" I went to check the source and it plainly identifies Bad-tibira to Tell Madineh: "[...] it follows that Bad-tibira is the ancient name for this particular modern tell called Madineh". The problem is it never identifies where exactly this Tell Madineh is, but somebody added their guess of this to wikipedia article. The coordinates are also pointing to a place between Ash Shatrah and Tell as-Senkereh, even though no source is given for this.

The correct location seems to be (almost) exactly 43,8 km to North of the wrong site, which leads me to believe there has been an input typo when entering a number somewhere, and no one checked the data.

I haven't been able to pinpoint the original source of the wrong coordinates, but it might be that the Swedish Geomapping Landscapes of Writing (GLoW) -project might have an error on it, if they in fact discuss Tel Madineh's location, but I don't have proper access to it. https://www.uu.se/institution/arkeologi-antik-historia-och-kulturvard/forskning/forskningsprojekt/forskningsprojekt--assyriologi/geomapping-landscapes-of-writing-glow

The wrong data has also made it's way to https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1372270 The telltale sign is mentioning Ash Shatrah and Tell as-Senkereh, which are almost 50 km south of the true site.

What appears to be the correct dig site, has been marked here: https://cdli.earth/proveniences/133 (Cuneiform Digital Library Initiative) another useful site (but probably not worthy to be source) with the correct location: https://ancientlocations.net/Default.aspx?sp=90 Google Maps Coordinate points to the same: QXGW+2M, Khalaf Salman, Dhi Qar Governorate, Iraq and there's a visible mound that looks like a dig.

In my opinion there is no source for the wrong location and it seems to have proliferated unchecked to many places, but I wonder if CDLI could be used as a proper source and rectify. Even though the CDLI gives the northern site on the map, the metadata still mentions Ash Shatrah, even if it's very distant. Nevertheless both locations are in Dhi Qar Governorate and might be governed from this same city. RedJimi (talk) 23:45, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I want to say that given it has never been excavated I am not surprised. Good work. I will ponder this. Ploversegg (talk) 00:13, 25 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]